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ken.fyten

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I'd like to clarify the situation with regard to ICEfaces support for the NetBeans Visual Web Project (VWP). As you may be aware, Sun has transitioned the VWP visual designer (and Woodstock components) to a strictly community-based support model:

The Visual Web modules have been removed from the standard distribution,
along with the Woodstock components. These modules have been released to
the community for support and future development. To get the Visual Web
functionality, install the Visual JSF and Visual JSF Runtime modules
from the Update Center. The NetBeans IDE still supports web development
with JSF and JSPs. 


In light of this development, and after careful consideration of all the options available to us, we have determined that it is not feasible for us to continue support for the VWP (visual design) editor in future releases of NetBeans, beginning with NetBeans 6.7. We regret any inconvenience caused by this situation, however, it is largely outside of our control.

We recommend NetBeans 6.5.1 to any users who would like to continue to use the ICEfaces Visual Web Project integration and will continue to support VWP for NetBeans 6.5.1 with future ICEfaces runtime library maintenance releases for the 1.8.x release track.

Note that we do offer a NetBeans 6.7 integration for ICEfaces which fully supports development with the non-visual JSP editor.

We look forward to supporting a new visual design capability within NetBeans should one become available at some point in the future, likely based on JSF2.0 and Facelets markup.

Regards,
Ken

Ken Fyten
VP Product Development
ICEsoft Technologies, Inc.
ffrancoh

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This is very wrong, it will do that many projects that is starting use other tools com RichFaces, Seam, to design for code is expensive enough.

Why ?

Thank you.
jamesarbrown

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There is a large market gap that has opened in that I think the only alternative is Eclipse. I looked last week and was most dissapointed.

Maybe Icefaces should grab that Sun code, customise, build a new VWP module that is bound to Icefaces? Being one of the only decent JSF visual web editors and bound to your own components would that not be an easy way of getting customers?

Maybe I have missed something obvious from the business perspective. Wish I had the time and knowledge ;)

Ken, maybe you know a good alternative GUI ?

James







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ken.fyten

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Hi,

If you are currently a NetBeans Visual Design user with ICEfaces I would recommend you stay on NetBeans 6.5.x for as long as feasible.

NetBeans is currently caught in a bit of a generational gap with the existing Visual Designer being JSP-based and the future of JSF development being Facelets markup (especially with the advent of JSF 2.0 later this year). It is possible that NetBeans will eventually re-introduce visual design support as a key feature based on Facelets markup, however, with all the uncertainty due to the imminent Oracle purchase this is far from a sure thing and we likely won't know for many months what the future of holds in terms of JSF development in NetBeans.

If you are looking for visual design support in JSF with ICEfaces outside of NetBeans your options at this time are either MyEclipse or Eclipse. The MyEclipse integration is somewhat more polished than the standard Eclipse one, but they are both based on the same design library.

We are also working with the IBM folks to add ICEfaces support for the RAD 7.5 visual designer, but of course RAD isn't for everyone.

For ICEfaces 2.0 we are reviewing our option as we would like to be able to support a robust visual design capability based on Facelets markup in an open-source IDE.

Regards,
Ken


Ken Fyten
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ICEsoft Technologies, Inc.
jamesarbrown

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Hi Ken,

There is a lot of sense in what you say and I had decided to keep with Netbeans 6.5.1 and still continue to migrate from Woodstock and see how the dust settles.

Hopefully in next 6 months something will occur. I think its a gap left too wide open and someone somewhere will eventually fill that gap.

VWP may be updated, but with regards to woodstock I think that the longer its left the more likely IceFaces will permanently replace, in reality it has almost already done that.

Anyway thankyou for your posting and will keep being hopeful Netbeans team eventually upgrades the VWP module to JSF2.

James






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davti

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The VWP in netbeans was one of the reasons we seriously started to use ICEFaces, without the RAD tool we will have to look at alternatives, not a good outcome from my point of view
msdobrescu

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Any visual consistent tool, as iceFaces plugin, means productivity.
In my case, I have chosen NetBeans for its well done visual tools.

As I love SWT, I will move to Eclipse quickly and stick with it.

I am so sorry to see another more than nice tool tear down to pieces by lack of support, money or management decisions.

Good bye NetBeans!
averri

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Ken,

thanks for the excellent post. Now it's time to have patience while waiting for the next JSF 2.0 release.

I'm still using Netbeans 6.5.1 with VWP for IceFaces 1.8.1, simply because VWP+IceFaces is the best tool available for JSF.
morgane9

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A very timely post for me. Since we have just begun the migration to ICEFaces because of its support for Visual Web development, we will stop and wait to see what happens. If we have to bite the bullet and move to Eclipse (yuck) anyway, it makes sense to choose faces components at that time. Until then, I will cling to the now very small hope that can be avoided.

Thanks for the information.
amrdarwish1975

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I need some more clear answer. Would Sun & ICEsoft ever support VWP for ICEfaces since NetBeans 6.7? I am now in charge taking some arch. strategic decisions I was planning to start my brand new project using Sun Woodstock until I find the modern alternative: ICEfaces. Please tell whom I can blame, ICEsoft or Sun ?!!!!
grombouts

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I really suggest to take half a day to try and put together a test icefaces app. in netbeans 6.7, with the icefaces plugin, but without the "visual" part. Try facelets (please look into the 'installation pdf' provided with the download so see how exactly you get a new icefaces + facelets project started in netbeans). You get the components in the palette and you can drag them in the xhtml-editor (non-visual). There you have instant help popup screens, ... . Use the icefaces component showcase to 'cut and paste' your application together.
Icefaces only (without woodstock, the only-half-working dynamicfaces/jmaki-projects, the pre-generated application/session/request beans, ....) is MUCH more elegant, easier to configure, faster, ... and after a few hours, I realized that I have lost a lot of time trying to get things to work in woodstock in the past. The 'visual' part seems attractive at first sight, and promises an easy learning curve, but reality is different. It is really nice to see how (perhaps after a few hours of extra reading) things can be done a lot faster in the non-visual editor, without the burden of the so-called 'productivity enhancing' visual editor.
I think everyone who is used to using VWP should take a few hours to try this. You will be amazed... :-)
amrdarwish1975

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Thanks for positive feedback, appreciate it .. may be it worth a trial.
amrdarwish1975

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I am novice to JSF. Would you mind to clarify more how to: Use the icefaces component showcase to 'cut and paste' application together? How can I configure "icefaces component showcase" under NetBeans 6.7?
grombouts

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Switch between 'Demo' and 'Source' on http://component-showcase.icefaces.org/component-showcase/showcase.iface
amrdarwish1975

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Got it now, Thanks. I admit I was astoninshed w/ ICEfaces presentation capabilities!. Let me ask, is ICEfaces is 100% open source or it is not?
 
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